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		<title>By: GaMerZ</title>
		<link>http://lesterchan.net/blog/2007/12/09/petrol-expensive-think-it-this-way/comment-page-1/#comment-5267</link>
		<dc:creator>GaMerZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did an econs module last semester, still manage to gasp some info of what you have written! I agree econs is easier than science!</description>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
		<link>http://lesterchan.net/blog/2007/12/09/petrol-expensive-think-it-this-way/comment-page-1/#comment-5266</link>
		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, btw, econ is simple if explained properly. Easier than physics or chemistry, definitely; after all, it explains phenomenon happening right before everyone's eyes. The only possible issue is a statistical fuzzieness that drives some hard science types crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, btw, econ is simple if explained properly. Easier than physics or chemistry, definitely; after all, it explains phenomenon happening right before everyone&#8217;s eyes. The only possible issue is a statistical fuzzieness that drives some hard science types crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
		<link>http://lesterchan.net/blog/2007/12/09/petrol-expensive-think-it-this-way/comment-page-1/#comment-5265</link>
		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gamerz,

It's a permanent political change. The next president isn't gonna get less bloodthirsty. All the leading candidates, Republican or Democratic -- Clinton, Guiliani, Romney, Huckabee-- are backed by the same world-dominationist neocons (who are not a free-floating political faction, but agents of powerful private-sector allies, among them those who got the Iraq oil. They dominate both political parties now, if you're willing to believe.)  I hate to sound "conspiratorial" on half my posts (it's why I get banned regularly), but that's the actual situation now. 

The main cause of dollar drop: central bank expansion of M3. M3 has more than doubled in past ten years. Referring to Macroeconomics textbook, doubling money supply halves currency value by 50%, holding all else equal. E.g.: Japan holds $1,000 billion in treasuries, loses $500 billion due to depreciation. Who gets the wealth? The person/persons who printed the dollars out of nothing, or the ppl they extend credit to. The rest of America and the world suffer inflation ("dollar depreciation", as you put it). 

Secondary cause: the decades-long outsourcing of manufacturing, which increases the trade deficit. The non-WASP (hint hint) megabucks plutocracy (owners of capital, in econ terminology) increase profits by outsourcing. Some outsourcing's natural, but this is something else, too long to explain.

IMO, a properly governed U.S. should generate a massive structural trade &lt;i&gt;surplus&lt;/i&gt; with the rest of the world, cuz U.S. workers hold absolute advantage in most goods and services, especially the high-value-added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gamerz,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a permanent political change. The next president isn&#8217;t gonna get less bloodthirsty. All the leading candidates, Republican or Democratic &#8212; Clinton, Guiliani, Romney, Huckabee&#8211; are backed by the same world-dominationist neocons (who are not a free-floating political faction, but agents of powerful private-sector allies, among them those who got the Iraq oil. They dominate both political parties now, if you&#8217;re willing to believe.)  I hate to sound &#8220;conspiratorial&#8221; on half my posts (it&#8217;s why I get banned regularly), but that&#8217;s the actual situation now. </p>
<p>The main cause of dollar drop: central bank expansion of M3. M3 has more than doubled in past ten years. Referring to Macroeconomics textbook, doubling money supply halves currency value by 50%, holding all else equal. E.g.: Japan holds $1,000 billion in treasuries, loses $500 billion due to depreciation. Who gets the wealth? The person/persons who printed the dollars out of nothing, or the ppl they extend credit to. The rest of America and the world suffer inflation (&#8221;dollar depreciation&#8221;, as you put it). </p>
<p>Secondary cause: the decades-long outsourcing of manufacturing, which increases the trade deficit. The non-WASP (hint hint) megabucks plutocracy (owners of capital, in econ terminology) increase profits by outsourcing. Some outsourcing&#8217;s natural, but this is something else, too long to explain.</p>
<p>IMO, a properly governed U.S. should generate a massive structural trade <i>surplus</i> with the rest of the world, cuz U.S. workers hold absolute advantage in most goods and services, especially the high-value-added.</p>
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		<title>By: GaMerZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaMerZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow but my econs kinda suck, I got C+ for it. I thought all the while the war is making the US dollar dropping. Cliton era was so peaceful till Bush took over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow but my econs kinda suck, I got C+ for it. I thought all the while the war is making the US dollar dropping. Cliton era was so peaceful till Bush took over.</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
		<link>http://lesterchan.net/blog/2007/12/09/petrol-expensive-think-it-this-way/comment-page-1/#comment-5263</link>
		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dropping dollar probably has little/nothing to do with the war, IMO. The Afghan + Iraq war altogether cost ~$120 billion a year, which is nothing for the U.S. budget of $2.2 trillion. Besides, remember they're stealing ~$10 trillion (110 billion barrel * $100) so it's a good long-term investment, probably.  I'm not being cynical; our neoconservative rulers know these things well. (Also remember the U.S. economy grows 3% annually, or $110 billion dollars -- so the country can easily afford the war. For comparison, the U.S. military cost about 45% of GDP during WWII, whereas the two present-day wars cost a puny 1%.)

I don't want to explain the causes in detail cuz it'd take too long. But it's deliberate policy, and they know what they're doing. In other words, there is no problem, at least not for the U.S. (For other countries holding U.S. dollars, yes, they're being screwed.)

Btw, if you're interested in these things I could send you an invite to the econ forum when it's up. We're gonna cover this sort of econ theory &#38; more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dropping dollar probably has little/nothing to do with the war, IMO. The Afghan + Iraq war altogether cost ~$120 billion a year, which is nothing for the U.S. budget of $2.2 trillion. Besides, remember they&#8217;re stealing ~$10 trillion (110 billion barrel * $100) so it&#8217;s a good long-term investment, probably.  I&#8217;m not being cynical; our neoconservative rulers know these things well. (Also remember the U.S. economy grows 3% annually, or $110 billion dollars &#8212; so the country can easily afford the war. For comparison, the U.S. military cost about 45% of GDP during WWII, whereas the two present-day wars cost a puny 1%.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to explain the causes in detail cuz it&#8217;d take too long. But it&#8217;s deliberate policy, and they know what they&#8217;re doing. In other words, there is no problem, at least not for the U.S. (For other countries holding U.S. dollars, yes, they&#8217;re being screwed.)</p>
<p>Btw, if you&#8217;re interested in these things I could send you an invite to the econ forum when it&#8217;s up. We&#8217;re gonna cover this sort of econ theory &amp; more.</p>
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		<title>By: GaMerZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaMerZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes and because of the war the US dollars keep dropping =((((</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes and because of the war the US dollars keep dropping =((((</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
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		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? Compulsory? Maybe in a less populous country like Singapore, but in the U.S. it's capitalistically all-volunteer.  Probably cuz 300m people yield enough volunteers, and that the wealthy don't want offspring to fight. 

What the U.S. is doing, I'm afraid, is basically overrunning the world with one arm and nine fingers tied up, using only its free pinkie. That's why I pretty certain they'll never leave Iraq, and probably do in Iran soon, too, cause the wars cost the $13 trillion dollar economy almost nothing. Nobody there even notices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? Compulsory? Maybe in a less populous country like Singapore, but in the U.S. it&#8217;s capitalistically all-volunteer.  Probably cuz 300m people yield enough volunteers, and that the wealthy don&#8217;t want offspring to fight. </p>
<p>What the U.S. is doing, I&#8217;m afraid, is basically overrunning the world with one arm and nine fingers tied up, using only its free pinkie. That&#8217;s why I pretty certain they&#8217;ll never leave Iraq, and probably do in Iran soon, too, cause the wars cost the $13 trillion dollar economy almost nothing. Nobody there even notices.</p>
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		<title>By: GaMerZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaMerZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought serving in the armed forces is compulsory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought serving in the armed forces is compulsory?</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
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		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gamerz

Yea, i wouldn't mind so much the theft of Iraqi oil if they split the loot among U.S. citizens equally, but these handful of Rockefeller &#38; Rothschild firms took full control of the reserves themselves, so us ordinary "Americans" got screwed, too. We pay for the war through our taxes, serve in the armed forces, but get no oil. Double-penetrated, we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gamerz</p>
<p>Yea, i wouldn&#8217;t mind so much the theft of Iraqi oil if they split the loot among U.S. citizens equally, but these handful of Rockefeller &amp; Rothschild firms took full control of the reserves themselves, so us ordinary &#8220;Americans&#8221; got screwed, too. We pay for the war through our taxes, serve in the armed forces, but get no oil. Double-penetrated, we are.</p>
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		<title>By: GaMerZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaMerZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun: LOL, ask your dad to always top it up before driving home =p My mom pump petrol every 3 days.

Han: Nice breakdown you have there. I totally agree with your last paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun: LOL, ask your dad to always top it up before driving home =p My mom pump petrol every 3 days.</p>
<p>Han: Nice breakdown you have there. I totally agree with your last paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
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		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I don't know the contract terms in those countries. It would not surprise me if the Western firms took 50% or more of gross revenue. 

I know of two country deals, and the terms were so lopsided that Western firms practically owned the oil outright:

1. In pre-Mossadeq Iran, BP took something like 95% of revenue, gave Iran 5%. Then Mossadeq was elected president, demanded 50%. CIA killed him, installed the Shah. 

2. Ecuador (or was it Peru?...) where the revenue was divided as follows: 
70% to the U.S. oil firm
25% to other U.S. firms in services and loan interest
5% to Peru

The 5% went mostly to corrupt officials who took orders from the U.S. Any opposition leader that arose was liable to assassination at any time. 

If I were to guess, the situation in Iraq probably resembles the Ecuadorean deal. U.S. firms basically stole Iraq's 110 billion barrels of oil due to Bush's war, and will keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I don&#8217;t know the contract terms in those countries. It would not surprise me if the Western firms took 50% or more of gross revenue. </p>
<p>I know of two country deals, and the terms were so lopsided that Western firms practically owned the oil outright:</p>
<p>1. In pre-Mossadeq Iran, BP took something like 95% of revenue, gave Iran 5%. Then Mossadeq was elected president, demanded 50%. CIA killed him, installed the Shah. </p>
<p>2. Ecuador (or was it Peru?&#8230;) where the revenue was divided as follows:<br />
70% to the U.S. oil firm<br />
25% to other U.S. firms in services and loan interest<br />
5% to Peru</p>
<p>The 5% went mostly to corrupt officials who took orders from the U.S. Any opposition leader that arose was liable to assassination at any time. </p>
<p>If I were to guess, the situation in Iraq probably resembles the Ecuadorean deal. U.S. firms basically stole Iraq&#8217;s 110 billion barrels of oil due to Bush&#8217;s war, and will keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely do not need a full tank of coke a week! So coke is still definitely cheaper for me, even if it's cheaper per liter.

For now, I just have to refrain from taking the car out when it's near empty, as the last user always have to top it up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely do not need a full tank of coke a week! So coke is still definitely cheaper for me, even if it&#8217;s cheaper per liter.</p>
<p>For now, I just have to refrain from taking the car out when it&#8217;s near empty, as the last user always have to top it up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GaMerZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaMerZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is cheaper because the companies are underpaying them, I mean I think extracting oil is much a more dangerous job then processing coke or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is cheaper because the companies are underpaying them, I mean I think extracting oil is much a more dangerous job then processing coke or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Han</title>
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		<dc:creator>Han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil's even cheaper at the source. It costs $3/barrel to get the oil out of the ground in Iraq (prewar, assuming no rebel attack), $5/barrel in Saudi Arabia. So what's happening is Wall Street speculators, Rockefeller &#38; Rothschild oil companies (all of the big oil firms in the West, AFAIK),  and the Arab countries themselves make MASSIVE profits. 

$100 minus $5 means a $95 surplus, split among the named parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil&#8217;s even cheaper at the source. It costs $3/barrel to get the oil out of the ground in Iraq (prewar, assuming no rebel attack), $5/barrel in Saudi Arabia. So what&#8217;s happening is Wall Street speculators, Rockefeller &amp; Rothschild oil companies (all of the big oil firms in the West, AFAIK),  and the Arab countries themselves make MASSIVE profits. </p>
<p>$100 minus $5 means a $95 surplus, split among the named parties.</p>
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